Talk:List of conflicts in territory of the former Soviet Union

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Orange Revolution

Why is the Orange Revolution not listed on this page.--WhyHellWhy (talk) 03:53, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

inclusion criteria?

So what is inclusion criteria and timeframe here? Osh riots don't really qualify as "post-soviet". Bronze Night is hardly a "conflict" unless every somewhat significant riot is considered to be one. Would various post-Karabakh war Armenian-Azerbaijan border shootouts also qualify?--Staberinde (talk) 17:32, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Conflict in Crimea was pre-empted by RussiaTC

The reintegration of Crimea into Russia had no qualities of a conflict. In military terms, the Russian operation in Crimea after the turnover of power in Kiev was a peacekeeping operation: there were no tanks or artillery; no shots were fired. Including the 2014 Crimean crisis in this list makes no sense. The Russian response prevented what happened in Euromaidan and Donbas from happening in Crimea. Thus, a conflict in Crimea was averted; there was no conflict.

April 2021

Wasn't there a border incident in uzbekistan in which dozens were killed? How does one nominate? Bokoharamwatch (talk) 19:50, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Why did Russia and Ukrain go to war?

I need to know why 2601:484:C000:5260:F9F3:94E4:5EDE:9289 (talk) 04:57, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

"Frozen" conflicts in the Donbass

The frozen conflicts in the Donbass really shouldn't be considered as frozen anymore 207.107.159.62 (talk) 02:10, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

New 2022 clashes

New clashes btw Tajikistan and Kirghizistan this week. 41.58.231.95 (talk) 18:28, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 18 August 2023

Post-Soviet conflicts → List of conflicts in territory of the former Soviet Union – 1. This is a list, not an encyclopedic article. List of is needed. 2. “Post-Soviet” is an anti-definition: it defines a number of countries by what they are not, and stereotypes of a lot of nations that have more differences than things in common. An explicitly geographical description is better (but still begs the reason this list exists, when we have List of conflicts in Europe and List of conflicts in Asia).  —Michael Z. 19:52, 18 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 11:44, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

AP Stylebook, for example, counsels writers to avoid the shorthand “former Soviet republic(s) . . . for any of the group of 14 countries besides Russia that existed within the former Soviet Union, unless clearly relevant the story.”[1]  —Michael Z. 17:38, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

To rephrase that, the defining inclusion criteria is not any special “post-Soviet” qualities or nature unifying the listed conflicts, but merely, per the lead, that they are in a geographical region defined as “in the countries of the former Soviet Union.” —Michael Z. 17:42, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Clarifying that it's a list with a specific geographical scope makes sense. ╠╣uw [talk] 13:36, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Support: This is the list. Parham wiki (talk) 20:06, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

• I would suggest List of post-Soviet conflicts instead. Proposed title is unnecessarily long. Not sure how "former Soviet Union" would be better than "post-Soviet" but in this case the "Soviet" factor is indeed relevant to the conflicts. Mellk (talk) 20:21, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

  These conflicts took place in the absence of whatever is meant by a Soviet factor. The lead specifically defines the subject as not Soviet: “of the former Soviet Union following its dissolution on 26 December 1991,” in contrast to the distinct subject Ethnic conflicts in the Soviet Union. The body only refers to the Soviet Union once, referring to the pre-post-Soviet phase of a single conflict.  —Michael Z. 20:32, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose: I would support this change if it was with the suggestion Mr. Mellk stated, "List of post-Soviet conflicts". SusImposter49 (talk) 18:01, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
• Support List of post-Soviet conflicts as being more concise. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 06:12, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: There is currently a consensus that the current title is not appropriate, but there is no consensus on what an appropraite title would be with editors currently considering two options; List of conflicts in territory of the former Soviet Union and List of post-Soviet conflicts. Editors in favor of the former argue that it is more WP:PRECISE, editors in favor of the latter argue that it is sufficiently PRECISE and more WP:CONCISE. Further discussion may be helpful in determining a consensus and preventing the need for a WP:NOTCURRENTTITLE close. BilledMammal (talk) 11:44, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

If that were the sum of the argument, and both positions were uncontested, then the choice can be based on WP:CRITERIAORDER, wherein concision is subordinate to precision.  —Michael Z. 17:39, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

• Move to List of post-Soviet conflicts per WP:CONCISE. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:21, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
• Support as proposed. Proposed name better fits WP:Articletitles as a more precise and unambiguous name for the article.  // Timothy :: talk  22:56, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
• support moving to "List of conflicts in territory of the former Soviet Union". The alternate suggestion "List of post-Soviet conflicts" is not clear about what type of conflicts with who. The original proposal is good. —usernamekiran (talk) 16:00, 3 September 2023 (UTC)